Curse

Former Ruling · Jul 22, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

In certain areas of the game, certain farming groups have certain jobs that certain people do to farm there...

Lets take BP Group for example, in PvE Tombs...

I"ve been having more and more trouble with this lately...It's fine that you are new or something, but learn what a group is and what they expect form you before you blindly go in without telling them.

Now. A BP group is:
5 R/Mos that use Barrage, Bring Pets, and Carry Rebirth
2 necros, 1 Orders, 1 MM.
1 Healing Monk.

If you are a Ranger...I don't care if your r/w, r/e, etcetc "pwns face" - a BP ranger is /mo for Rebirth...theres a REASON they carry rebirth. Also don't forgot to bring your Pet...(I've seen rangers that didn't know to bring a pet).

Make sure before you go in that one Necro is an Orders and one is an MM..I've went in TOO MANY TIMES where both were the same, or One necro didnt know what type of necro he was supposed to be, so came in as something like SS/SV.....

The Monk...this is usually the group stopper. YOU ARE A HEALING MONK. Orison..WoH..Heal Other..w/e. PLEASE leave you "pwnage" Healing Breeze type spells at home, and don't even argue that you want to be a Prot Monk...ain't happening. Also...don't bring a rez...(this one happens alot). You are wasting a slot, theres already SIX hard rezes in the group, and every sec you sit there trying to rebirth someone - more are dying. If you GOTTA bring a rez because you'll have a heartattack if you dont...DONT USE IT...I better not see you trying to rez ANYONE unless their are no rangers alive..TOo many times the group died because a monk decided to rebirth someone themselves (without focus swapping none the less).

I don't have problems with non-BP groups there...But if you aren't going to be one of the above things...Please tell the group..so they can kick you and you can find a non-BP group.

Same goes for the special SF farming groups..."5 Man Oro Farm" doesn't mean you can self invite as anything.

/vent >_>

EDIT: fixed it to 5 rangers, someone almost had a heartattack because I accidently hit "6" in the original post.

milias · Jul 22, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

It's Friday night, chill out

Most PUG's can't really follow directions, but I actually find Tombs groups to be better, b/c they're a one-trick pony, and it's harder to mess things up.

dndhatcher · Jul 22, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Someone had a bad experience in Tombs today...

Dr Strangelove · Jul 22, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

The easy solution would be talking to your group beforehand. Oftentimes the new people are reluctant to ask as they know they'll be booted for someone more experienced if the group leader finds out. be open with your group, say clearly what you want if you want specific builds, and do your best not to exclude new blood. We don't want PvE turning into a HA style rank fest, now do we?

TheMadKingGeorge · Jul 22, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

argh another angry nub

Former Ruling · Jul 22, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I have a bad experience in Tombs EVERY day -_- It gets worse and worse.

Dr Strangelove - We do go over it. It ragequit ANY group right off that doesnt: Check before hand about necros being Orders or MM, Doesnt check for spirits on the rangers (who is carrying what), or anyone that just rushes in before people say ready.

This idoesn't weed everyone out though. There are people that say pretend to be something, then when you get in they just use whatever they want. I've had that happen 4 groups in a row before. The necros were "supposedly" setup one as orders and one as MM, then when we get in the MM is actually an SS...so good game. This is mostly a monk thing though...Some Monks are GLUED to being prot, so they'll invite when you say Healing monk needed, and when you get in they start spamming Prot Spirit and crap..

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argh another angry nub

Oh Be quiet. I can vent about groups if I want. The day when people stop thinking their cool on forums for throwing about the words: "Troll", "Nub", "Flamer" - will be a great day.

jaymat · Jul 22, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

6 rangers
2 necros
1monk

now if i use my awesome mathematical powers im almost positive that figures adds up to 9 players in a grp. did some make a mistake in his rant?

TheMadKingGeorge · Jul 22, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

lmfao cani say pwnage flame

Dr Strangelove · Jul 22, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

I have a bad experience in Tombs EVERY day -_- It gets worse and worse.

Dr Strangelove - We do go over it. It ragequit ANY group right off that doesnt: Check before hand about necros being Orders or MM, Doesnt check for spirits on the rangers (who is carrying what), or anyone that just rushes in before people say ready.

Yar, in that case it's just people being stubborn asses who think they know better than everyone else. My recent favorite was a 55 in training on a droks run with me who told the runner he knew a better route from rankor to droks. (He suggested running throught he mobs of giants and then through the troll cave). Most likely, people don't know any better than the standard cookie cutter builds, and if they think they do, they should advertise as such.

Xenrath · Jul 22, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Well, since apparently millions of copies of GW were sold - let's say there are maybe a few hundred thousand active players from that... let's also say most of them probably don't look at forums, including this one. It's probably worth bearing that in mind rather than expecting people to know about builds and whatever. Much less disappointment that way

I'm not telling you to stop posting or get over it etc. in fact I'd encourage the opposite and disregard the people trying to stop any remotely "it's not all rainbows and presents falling from the sky in GW" posts. Just it might be more helpful to think of things that way. If you encounter people who have ideas on builds etc. great but probably better not to be expecting it in random groups.

Former Ruling · Jul 22, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaymat

6 rangers
2 necros
1monk

now if i use my awesome mathematical powers im almost positive that figures adds up to 9 players in a grp. did some make a mistake in his rant?

Typo. 6 happens to be very close to 5, and my hands happen to be quite large thus I hit the wrong keys alot.

BTW, Rule One: Don't point out other's typos unless you are sure your own post doesn't have typos...

Xenrath - I don't expect them to magically see this thread and know what to bring...But INGAME new or not you shouldn't join a group and pretend to be something and not know what you are doing. ASK the people in the group "whats a good BP ranger bar" or something..Don't just assume you bringing trash stuff is going to be ok.

vaxmor · Jul 22, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

this thread does not deliver.

Vahn Roi · Jul 22, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

What kind of monk tries to use Rebirth in the middle of a fight at all? That's just moronic...

Hockster · Jul 22, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Farming Tombs? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! And you complain about noobs? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

You just made my night.

.neuronster. · Jul 22, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

What kind of monk tries to use Rebirth in the middle of a fight at all? That's just moronic...

Probably a monk who is being pressured by his/her n00b group members. I've been in groups like that. The freaking n00bs will target themselves and spam the team chat with, "I'm dead!" Or they'll be like, "omg...wtf? rez....plz....someone rez meeeee." Then a second later, "ne1 got rez? omg rez me." >_< It drives you so insane you can't help but Rebirth during a fight. >_< UGH! /endrant

Anyway, once n00bs start getting like that, I turn team chat off.

Paperfly · Jul 22, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Ugh, definitely not grouping with Former Ruling if he's in charge. I'm fine with insisting on optimised builds, but yours aren't.

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If you are a Ranger...I don't care if your r/w, r/e, etcetc "pwns face" - a BP ranger is /mo for Rebirth...theres a REASON they carry rebirth.

A quick note on Rebirth: It's only the best hard res in situations where the party wipes immediately beneath a mob. Most wipes will actually involve a trail of corpses away from the danger area, and under those circumstances a Res Sig targetting the Monk (who is guaranteed to be carrying Rebirth) works just fine (and two wipes where the same ranger is the sole survivor are extremely rare).

If a ranger is carrying Ward Against Melee or Recuperation I'm perfectly fine with them taking that different secondary - both of the above skills can contribute more to the group than Rebirth's off-chance at saving a team from a wipe.

A couple of team members carrying Res Sigs is actually helpful, as it means you can effectively combat-res the monk or MM. Please, please don't Rebirth me if there's a million Grasps roaming the area!

Finally, the difference taking Rebirth makes is sufficiently small that I don't feel the need to force people to change secondaries for their farming runs.

...Which leads me to my second point:

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{monk}Also...don't bring a rez...(this one happens alot). You are wasting a slot, theres already SIX hard rezes in the group

Are you insane?! The monk is the one character who by definition is going to be in the backline avoiding aggro. If more than four people drop, it's his job to lead the charge back out of danger (healing whoever's taking damage as they also flee) and then taking care of the gradual recovery.

Agreed, a monk should never res in combat. Heck, no-one should Rebirth in combat!

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PLEASE leave you "pwnage" Healing Breeze type spells at home

You might want to explain yourself a little further. I agree that Breeze is sub-par, but I don't understand (a) why the sarcastic "pwnage" is relevant, and (b) why you think we can somehow derive an entire category from this disjointed half-sentence.

If your monk is Prophecies-only and is already using two heal-other-only spells (Word of Healing and Dwayna's Kiss, say), then Breeze isn't actually that bad a choice for a self-heal/backlines heal - it lets you anticipate damage, it's handy when you're kiting a Grasp, and you can use it to hint to the MM that he should Blood of the Master more aggressively! If you have Factions and can run Ethereal Light, though, then certainly there's no point running Breeze.

Incidentally, I'm suprised you're not insisting on Succor on the Orders necro. Isn't that the latest thing?

...Don't like it myself, as Monk or as Orders. The monk is better off running some energy management of his own, and the Orders is actually often under more strain than people give them credit for and is genuinely hurt by the maintained enchant. Plus maintaining enchantments in Tombs is asking for some mesmer attention at the best of times...

(For the record, I play Monk and Orders through Tombs - I'm very good at both, with dozens of successful runs to my credit. I've carried groups where we've had 4+ ragequitters to a successful finish, and I've led mobs of first-timers through without incident. And I play not-100%-standard builds because mine usually work better with the uncertainties of a pickup group)
Mo/N:
{e} Offering of Blood
Orison of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss
Ethereal Light
Heal Party
Mend Ailment
Smite Hex
Rebirth

N/Rt
{e} Order of the Vampire
Order of Pain
Blood Ritual
Blood Renewal
Vampiric Gaze
Recuperation
Mend Body and Soul
Flesh of My Flesh

I'm willing to defend the above builds against all comers.

Minus Sign · Jul 22, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by .neuronster.

you can't help but Rebirth during a fight

Yes you can. And anyone nubbish enough to beg and whine in team and all chat during combat...you may want to consider when it comes time to rez if they are worth carrying through. There was a time in UW when it was all but impossible to make it through with a full group. For B/P, the "gotta haves" are the 2 necros and the monk, and they shouldn't gain much agro anyway. For the ranger who thought B in B/P stood for Bunny thumper (don't laugh; been there and the group leader was still willing to let him run after we saw the hammer) let the little idiot stay dead. You can't heal stupid so don't try.

Don Zardeone · Jul 22, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Well, since apparently millions of copies of GW were sold - let's say there are maybe a few hundred thousand active players from that... let's also say most of them probably don't look at forums, including this one. It's probably worth bearing that in mind rather than expecting people to know about builds and whatever. Much less disapp...

Before factions I kept track of the clueless people in pugs in areas where they should at least have BASIC knowledge (as in, a warrior doesn't use 25energy ele firespells in hells precipice, a monk with ONLY heal party on his bar is not enough...). I don't remember the exact numbers but of 300-400 people I looked at, 90% of them had no clue.

I redid the entire thing a few weeks back but got bored after my 1th or so pug and the number was terrifying, 95-99% of the players were absolutely clueless.
I'm talking about heal area on shiro, smiting warriors in urgoz (5+monkskills on bar), the infamous frenzy-heal sig on W/* and */W, MMs with level 20- flesh golems....

That's right, pugs are 95% disaster...in factions... Prophecies? What's that X.x?

edit: above poster: "You can't heal stupid so don't try"
so funny =D

.neuronster. · Jul 22, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Minus Sign

Yes you can. And anyone nubbish enough to beg and whine in team and all chat during combat...you may want to consider when it comes time to rez if they are worth carrying through.

Indeed. I concur. I am just too nice....even though I really shouldn't be. Although, lately, I have been leaving groups if they are really n00bish and ignorant. I am growing more and more tired of n00bs each day.

Quozz · Jul 22, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

No wonder the ops groups have so many problems. Nobody else would want to play with someone with such a bad attitude. Your post would have been relevant and helpful if you had taken the role of "patient teacher" and calmly explained your builds and strategies. Unfortunately, no one is going to pay any mind to your post because of the unconstructive way it is written.